WHAT SOCRATES SAID ABOUT PLATO -

Опубликовано: 06 Август 2026
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They say that Socrates having heard Plato read the Lysis, said,

“O Hercules! what a number of lies the young man has told about me.”
For he had set down a great many things as sayings of Socrates which he never said.

Socrates as quoted in Diogenes Laertius' Lives of Eminent Philosophers

Lysis is a dialogue of Plato which discusses the nature of philia (φιλία), often translated as friendship, while the word's original content was of a much larger and more intimate bond. It is generally classified as an early dialogue.
The main characters are Socrates, the boys Lysis and Menexenus who are friends, as well as Hippothales, who is in unrequited love with Lysis and therefore, after the initial conversation, hides himself behind the surrounding listeners. Socrates proposes four possible notions regarding the true nature of loving friendship as:
Friendship between people who are similar, interpreted by Socrates as friendship between good men.
Friendship between men who are dissimilar.
Friendship between men who are neither good nor bad and good men.
Gradually emerging: friendship between those who are relatives by the nature of their souls.
Of all those options, Socrates thinks that the only logical possibility is the friendship between men who are good and men who are neither good nor bad.
In the end, Socrates seems to discard all these ideas as wrong, although his para-logical refutations have strong hints of irony about them.
Source: Wikipedia

But at the end according to Diogenes Laertius, Socrates did not really agreed with that… Sometime what we hear from others is not the truth only their perceptions or their opinion….