Dr. Julie Gurner has a two-year waiting list. The Wall Street Journal calls her the real-life Wendy Rhoades (the psychologist from the show Billions). Though her clients are CEOs, founders, billionaires, and elite operators, she actually started her career inside a supermax prison. In this episode, Michael Easter sits down with Dr. Julie Gurner to unpack what actually separates the top 0.01% from everyone else: audacity, what-if-it-goes-right thinking, and using anger as fuel. She also explains why "be humble" might be the worst career advice you have ever received.
Two Percent is hosted by Michael Easter. Today’s episode was produced by Joey Fischground, Robbie Hiser, Dana Brawer and Julia Nutter. From Kaleidoscope, our executive producers are Mangesh Hattikudur and Kate Osborn and Julia Nutter. From iHeart, our executive producers are Katrina Norvell and Nikki Ettore. Our Head of Video is Maria Paz Mendez Hodes. This episode was edited by Ryan Mulhern. Our theme music is by the Heater Manager.
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— CHAPTERS —
00:00:00 - Cold open & intro
00:01:47 - From Supermax Prison to billionaires: Julie's origin
00:08:49 - Audacity, imaginary rules, the side path
00:11:10 - What if it goes right?
00:14:11 - The repetitive reflex
00:19:06 - Haunting agitation: the whisper that becomes a scream
00:25:18 - Why money does buy happiness
00:27:57 - Survival mode and the J.K. Rowling story
00:30:59 - Helping people get out of their own way
00:33:28 - In defense of billionaires
00:35:49 - Stoicism's blind spot: anger as fuel
00:38:14 - Bezos got laughed at for wanting to go to space
00:40:13 - Losing a dog, loving fleeting things
00:42:57 - Why "be humble" is bad advice
00:45:36 - Reframe, lean into your quirky self
00:50:12 - Farmhouse in Amish country: the cognitive break
00:52:42 - The moment that unlocked Julie's range of vision
00:56:28 - The whole game is exposure
00:57:18 - Five years from now