For 12 years, Jackson Saya and Karen Sowon waited for a child that never came. They prayed. They hoped. They made peace with the silence. And eventually… they gave up.
Then an unexpected question from an X-ray specialist changed everything.
In this deeply emotional episode of The Couch Connect, they open up about the heartbreak, the strain on their soul, the acceptance of childlessness and the shocking discovery that a child is (was) finally coming.
But what did the 12-year wait cost them?
This conversation will move you, challenge you, and maybe even restore your hope.
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
2:09 The Pressure Society Puts on Married Couples
5:45 The Intense Cultural Pressure to Have Children
8:30 Understanding Endometriosis
9:44 The emotional weight of crushed dreams
11:05 Can a Marriage Be Complete Without Kids?
18:28 Why Children Are a Gift, Not a Right
21:42 The Emotional Rollercoaster of Waiting
23:15 The Moment We Chose Acceptance
24:43 Friends Who Showed Up When It Hurt Most
31:07 How to Truly Support Couples Waiting for Children
33:40 You Should Never Define Someone by their Diagnosis
35:46 Shielding Friends from Painful Public Comments
41:03 The Miracle: Pregnant After 12 Years
46:06 The Day We Found Out We Were Expecting
57:25 Reflections on waiting
59:12 What 12 Years of Waiting Taught Our Marriage
1:01:03 Info on the book: “The In Between”
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