Why IRV Is Worse Than FPTP

Опубликовано: 04 Сентябрь 2026
на канале: Sass
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CORRECTIONS AND CLARIFICATIONS
1:48 This video is primarily intended to highlight a problem and does not culminate in some big reveal of an innovative solution. You already know the solution to our societal problems.
3:58 I was trying to say “…the whole appeal of Approval Voting.”
4:23 Extra context: After I released this spreadsheet into the public, FairVote’s page was outdated. Based on the timings and numbers of interactions with the spreadsheet and associated short link, it appeared to me as though some reps from FairVote found it and were using it as a guide to help them update their site. This is a baseless claim and I have no evidence to support it.
6:50 The bottom end of the VSE for IRV extends significantly below the top end of the VSE for FPTP.
7:15 Looking through the data again, it appears that my example, while accurate about 53% bullet voting despite there being 12+ candidates, was likely used in bad faith as there was a landslide victory in that race. However, the page linked shows that 8 out of the 19 San Fransisco IRV races examined never passed the first round. The winner of 10 of the remaining 11 races never received half of the ballots. 18 of the 19 winners were FPTP winners. While that does not back up my point about voter behavior trends, it shows how IRV is an inefficient use of funds.
9:00 “Highest choice of candidates remaining on your ballot” is an even clearer wording that should be used.
12:21 15 candidates made it on the primary ballot.
12:43 Two of the reasons. I couldn’t help myself.
14:07 "I can't stand lying to voters [because it further disenfranchises them from voting and from the political system as a whole].”
17:16 There’s a point that I missed about non-additivity: transparency. The full ballot data is not released in many IRV races, which is necessary for independent audits. But if the full ballot data was released, particularly in races that allowed many rankings with many candidates, voter anonymity could be lost. From what I understand, concerns about anonymity have been dampened recently because voter coercion and vote selling are difficult to scale and have been found to be more expensive per vote than campaigning. However, an argument could be made that a single case of voter coercion is unacceptable. Personally, I have mixed feelings on the issue of anonymity right now, but the fact that anonymity cannot be guaranteed alongside auditability is cause for concern.
19:36 I met with FairVote with an associate who is not active in voting science, and Sara Wolk and I attended an NPV event where we had an opportunity to ask questions.
22:29 Clay Shentrup is starting an organization called Beyond 2 Parties. I got it mixed up with another project I was involved with.
24:04 I was trying to say “abhorrent” both times.
25:04 I am NOT against open primaries (though I believe primaries should be abolished in the US except for maybe some local races with a non-partisan Approval primary and a top-2 general). I AM against “Final 5” voting with IRV.
26:21 I was trying to say “…people can’t express themselves on the ballot…”
28:31 IRV has not come before the US Supreme Court yet.


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IRV Fails in Austin
https://www.sos.state.tx.us/elections...

IRV's track record in the US
http://bit.ly/RCV-Success

Big 4 VSE
https://imgur.com/gallery/sWWQX6C

JQ’s VSE
https://electionscience.github.io/vse...

BTernaryTau's list of voting sims
https://bternarytau.github.io/miscell...

Analysis of 19 San Fransisco IRV races
https://www.rangevoting.org/SFelhisto...

Warren Smith's Yee Diagrams
https://rangevoting.org/IEVS/Pictures...

2018 San Fransisco mayoral race (check the references)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Sa...

My NPV fix
https://bit.ly/NUTIC-Long

Equal Vote Coalition NPV fix
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Importance of different voting reform measures
https://rangevoting.org/RelImport.html

The Green Party's take on the For The People Act
https://www.gp.org/hr1

Constitutionality
https://www.equal.vote/theequalvote

CHAPTERS
00:00 Intro
02:05 What you haven't considered
03:00 Failure rate
04:58 VSE
08:34 Lying to voters
14:30 Near-tie nightmares
15:58 Non-additivity (check CORRECTIONS for extra point about transparency)
19:20 NPV
21:47 The duopoly
26:53 Public morale
29:41 Outro