Did the Church Fathers believe in the Real Presence? - A response to @matthieulavagna
Catholics frequently claim that the Church Fathers supported transubstantiation. This is also what my friend @matthieulavagna recently asserted; here's my response.
00:00 - Introduction
01:00 - The Roman Catholic Position
03:56 - The Reformed Catholic Position
18:15 - The Church Fathers believed in the Real Presence
20:08 - Response to the texts cited by Matthieu Lavagna
I. The Church Fathers rejected transubstantiation
30:15 - They outright denied transubstantiation
49:47 - They did not practice Eucharistic adoration
52:23 - They stated that non-believers did not receive the body
II. The Fathers rejected the philosophical presuppositions of transubstantiation
56:08 - No substance without accident
59:58 - A body exists only with its accidents and is circumscribed
1:01:44 - Human nature cannot be present in several places (extra-Calvinisticum)
1:05:48 - A body cannot be corporeally present in a non-local way or without quantity
1:06:47 - The realism of the Fathers
1:10:00 - The anti-Docetic argument of the Fathers
III. The language of the Fathers does not imply transubstantiation
1:10:52 - The notion of change does not imply a change of substance
1:16:07 - The Fathers make astonishing clarifications if they believed in transubstantiation
1:19:47 - The Fathers call bread and wine "signs"
IV. The Fathers interpreted the Bible like the Protestants
1:22:01 - The Eucharist as spiritual nourishment similar to the types in the Old Testament
1:25:55 - The example of John 6
1:28:46 - Conclusion
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