Manhunter vs Red Dragon - Original vs Remake
This week we look at Manhunter vs Red Dragon - original vs remake.
We discuss what is the difference between Manhunter and Red Dragon, as well as which is better.
SPOILER ALERT - there will be plot elements related to the endings for both movies.
If you haven't seen them, go watch them now. Where to watch online (current as of 03/23/20) -
Manhunter - https://hdfy.to/movies/crime/manhunte...
Red Dragon - https://www.vudu.com/content/movies/d... Notes”: (posted after premiere)
"Show notes":
0:00:56 - how to stay sane during quarantine / lockdown
0:03:12 - asking how long pandemic crisis will last
0:03:48 - news / media sensationalism seen in 1986 original Manhunter
0:05:00 - social media / selfies generation creating more online noise
0:06:42 - call to action: Jack Crawford hands over family photos to Will Graham,
reluctant hero
0:07:48 - internal struggle of Graham vs. conflict with wife in Michael Mann original vs remake
0:09:42 - how effective did Edward Norton (Red Dragon) vs William Petersen (Manhunter) portray this conflict
0:10:48 - Francis Dollarhyde goes from serial killer towards normalcy, while Will Graham descends from family normalcy to obsession with hunting this serial killer
0:12:32 - son showing concern, asking mother where she is
0:13:56 - “MTV effect” means something different here with Michael Mann, starting to develop his trademark aesthetic
0:15:12 - key to Mann’s signature, choosing rock songs for soundtrack music
Mann included Iron Butterfly's "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida" because imprisoned murderer Dennis Wayne Wallace believed that in his obsession with a woman he barely knew that this was “their song”
0:19:28 - how Will Graham goes from “they’ll have to take him down” to jumping through the window
0:21:32 - what effect did Graham seeing family have
0:23:56 - why Edward Norton failed to portray internal conflict of Will Graham
(despite his strong performance playing a dual character in Primal Fear)
0:26:00 - remake follows Thomas Harris’ novel more closely
0:27:06 - comparing Brian Cox vs Anthony Hopkins playing Hannibal Lecter
0:29:32 - why Silence of the Lambs was more effective than Red Dragon
0:30:50 - Ralph Fiennes vs. Tom Noonan as Dollarhyde
0:31:44 - did romance subplot of Dollarhyde and Reba help or hurt story
0:33:26 ** short break **
0:33:38 - how effective was tiger scene with Emily Watson or Joan Allen in original
0:35:50 - why casting Ralph Fiennes as Dollarhyde doesn’t work
0:38:10 - what we thought of Philip Seymour Hoffman as sleazy reporter Freddy Lounds
0:40:36 - how much gratuitous nudity Red Dragon had
0:42:02 - why are we obsessed with psychopaths /
why Thomas Harris make Hannibal Lecter a cannibal
0:43:08 - trauma triggering psychopath behavior / eating absorbing trauma
connection to religion, e.g. Christianity and taking mass
0:44:30 - showing back story between Graham and Lecter in Red Dragon
0:46:08 - what we thought of opening intro montage
0:47:00 - comic relief with Dr Chilton in remake vs original
0:48:16 - realism between Manhunter vs Red Dragon
0:50:44 - how failed attempts by FBI highlighted Will Graham’s “super” abilities
0:51:10 - why mirrors show theme of voyeurism in Manhunter
0:52:50 - how showing videos made reveal so effective in Manhunter
like garbage trucks from Invasion of Body Snatchers
0:54:10 - what Mann did to shoot one airline scene
0:55:32 - psychopaths replacing concept of savages
e.g. Lecter calling Dollarhyde “pilgrim”
0:57:40 - how Mindhunter portrays serial killers and
FBI starting to use behavioral psychology
1:00:04 - what’s difference between psychopaths vs sociopaths
1:01:14 - functional Asperger’s vs autistic (Temple Grandin)
how trauma can trigger psychopaths vs. sociopaths
1:02:48 - Wall Street traders and CEO’s fitting traits of psychopaths
1:04:20 - why OCD people have advantage during current Covid-19 / coronavirus world
1:07:32 - historical figures with psychopath / sociopath tendencies
1:08:40 - what would have made Red Dragon more effective as remake
1:11:04 - why Red Dragon was more successful than Manhunter
1:14:14 - coming up next: Rec / Quarantine - original vs remake
The Crazies - remake vs original